Minutes 2Sept2020
Attendees
@Al Morton @Mike Lazar @Jason Hunt @Emma Foley @Bob Monkman (Deactivated) @Timothy Verrall (Deactivated) @Jim Baker @zygmunt_lozinski @Casey Cain
Notes
Introductions
Discussed first task of gathering input from other organizations - caution expressed by @Bob Monkman (Deactivated) to not wait too long for standards org to unify around a list as it will take too long
@Jim Baker to check with @Heather Kirksey (Deactivated) on LF efforts and Linux KernelIETF is working on Best Current Practice document. Here is version 4: https://tools.ietf.org/id/draft-knodel-terminology-04.html @zygmunt_lozinskiwill try to find IETF contacts working on this to get the current status@Bob Monkman (Deactivated) will check on ONF's efforts
Discussion around how new terminology can be more technically accurate while avoiding biased language
@Bob Monkman (Deactivated) will also bring this working group's outputs back into the MAC
Discussion on candidate terminology to replace:
master/slave
blacklist/whitelist
blackbox/whitebox
Meetings to be held every other Wednesday at 1400 UTC.
@Casey Cainto schedule recurring meeting & Zoom bridge
Comments
Sep 16, 2020
An update on the IETF work. There are three proposed activities on "Terminology propsals" (= inclusive language) within the IETF. The current status is that the IETF General Area Dispatch (gendispatch) process is working out how to proceed. (IETF gendispatch decides if, how, who deals with a newly proposed work item). IETF gendispatch has been discussing what to do with the three proposals since July 2020.
My summary is that there won't be a formal output (e.g. an agreed RFC) from the IETF in the immediate future that LFN can use.
Minutes of discussion in IETF gendispatch interim meeting:
07 Sep 2020 (draft) https://codimd.ietf.org/notes-ietf-interim-2020-gendispatch-03-gendispatch
01 Sep 2020 (final) https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/agenda-interim-2020-gendispatch-03-gendispatch-01/
Three internet drafts (= proposed documents) have been created, the documents, and explanatory slide decks.
Terminology, Power, and Inclusive Language in Internet-Drafts and RFCs - Mallory
https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-knodel-terminology-04
https://www.ietf.org/proceedings/interim-2020-gendispatch-01/slides/slides-interim-2020-gendispatch-01-sessa-draft-knodel-terminology-00
Effective Terminology in IETF drafts - Bron
https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-gondwana-effective-terminology-01
https://www.ietf.org/proceedings/interim-2020-gendispatch-01/slides/slides-interim-2020-gendispatch-01-sessa-draft-gondwana-effective-terminology-00.pdf
Avoiding Exclusionary Language in RFCs - Keith
https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-moore-exclusionary-language-00
https://www.ietf.org/proceedings/interim-2020-gendispatch-01/slides/slides-interim-2020-gendispatch-01-sessa-draft-moore-exclusionary-language-00
IETF General Area Dispatch (gendispatch) charter: https://datatracker.ietf.org/wg/gendispatch/about/